Dr. Yoho criticizes the healthcare industry and its practices
Today on the podcast, we sit down with cosmetic surgeon, author, triathlete, and master rock climber, Dr. Robert Yoho. Throughout his long-standing career as a physician, Robert became more and more skeptical about medical corporations and has since dedicated his time to raising awareness about corruption in the healthcare system.
Dr. Yoho has performed over a thousand cosmetic surgeries and has passed the boards by the American Board of Dermatologic Cosmetic Surgery, American Board of Laser Surgery, and the American Board of Emergency Medicine.
Jason calls him the “man of many lives” since he’s climbed places such as Devil’s Peak in Wyoming, The Naked Edge in Denver, and Half Dome in Yosemite; competed in bodybuilding competitions, practices yoga, and dabbles in mixed martial arts.
Join us as we talk about his compelling books, Butchered By “Healthcare” and Hormone Secrets, and hear from Robert the importance of being our own advocate when it comes to healthcare and how we can do our part to reform and repair the system.
Please hit the play button at the top of this page and follow along below. Thank you for listening to today’s divulging episode.
In this Episode
[01:19] Jason commences the show by mentioning the many Zoom interviews that Dr. Robert Yoho has been a part of lately. Dr. Yoho mentions he’s had one in-person interview recently in an unusual place, and to please call him Robert.
[02:11] Jason brings up Robert’s positive impression of the in-depth pre-screening process that our producer conducted. Through this, we learn that Robert was also a wrestler in high school, like Jason.
[03:08] Dr. Yoho gives us more details about his early life, the city he grew up in, how his parents were also physicians, and names the two colleges he attended.
[04:36] Robert describes his 2-year sabbatical he took from medical school to go rock climbing. He recounts that after finishing medical school, he moved to California to work as an emergency physician, then family practice, and finally, cosmetic surgery.
[06:54] Dr. Yoho explains his current explorations with bioidentical hormones, how his book Hormone Secrets can inform people better on the subject, and how writing the book led to his investigation into healthcare corruption.
[10:28] Jason tells Dr. Yoho that it sounds like he found his purpose, and Robert expounds on the reasons for his beliefs that doctors, hospitals, and the federal government have corrupted systems for healthcare.
[14:01] Dr. Yoho delves into his thoughts on the corruption of medical studies and biases of medical journals. He states that listeners can learn more by reading his book Butchered by “Healthcare” and that doctors should all be putting the patient first.
[17:20] Jason wonders if there are more doctors who have these same beliefs about the extensive corruption of the healthcare industry. Dr. Yoho emphasizes that medical students and doctors face pressures to concede into the current healthcare system.
[20:16] Jason wants to know what drives Dr. Yoho. He gives us an analogy of having your feet in the alligator’s mouth, and how he still sees a positive thread with the current situation despite healthcare issues continuing to grow.
[21:36] Jason recalls when his mom called and talked to him about using masks. Dr. Yoho criticizes the pharmaceutical industry and the propaganda and censuring of certain views as a result of the pandemic.
[23:36] Jason asks Dr. Yoho how people who don’t get the shot are able to function in society with the rules in place. Dr. Yoho lists a few sources that he believes unravel the pandemic and vaccine ineffectiveness.
[27:01] Jason and Dr. Yoho discuss the doctor’s passion for exposing vaccine effectiveness, necessity, and safety. He explains that the COVID-19 vaccines were granted Emergency Use Authorization during the pandemic.
[31:45] Jason shares how he unfortunately lost two grandfathers during the pandemic and how it’s hard to weigh the pros and cons immunization. Dr. Yoho declares that hospitals have financial incentives for treatments like Remdesivir and the legislative branch is influenced by healthcare and pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer.
[34:52] Dr. Yoho tells us he supports California’s easing of mask protocols.
[36:21] Jason invites Dr. Yoho to further highlight the 3 books he brought with him: Hormone Secrets, Butchered by “Healthcare,” and The Real Anthony Fauci by RFK Jr. Dr. Yoho also recommends listening to Joe Rogan’s interview with Dr. Robert Epstein.
[40:42] Jason wants to talk more Joe Rogan. Dr. Yoho considers the impact Joe Rogan had on questioning healthcare officials like Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN and how money is influencing our exposure to specific news and video platforms.
[43:05] Dr. Yoho gifts Jason copies of the three aforementioned books and quickly summarizes them.
[44:04] During a warm up to our signature segment of “Hennessey Heart-to-Heart,” Jason and Dr. Yoho quickly discuss Robert’s time as an Eagle Scout and both of their experiences with the aging process.
[46:51] Jason and Robert begin “Hennessey Heart-to-Heart.” Robert tells us his alternate career path, if he’s taken medication for his anxiety, his favorite quotes, the practices he thinks should be taught in school, the meaning of life, other sources of healthcare corruption, and much more.
[01:03:08] Jason and Dr. Yoho say thank you and Jason vows to further educate himself about these hot-button issues, and encourages everyone to do the same.
Jason Hennessey: Dr. Yoho, is that how you pronounce your last name?
Dr. Robert Yoho: We’re on first name basis here.
Jason. So, Jason and Robert. Thank you.
There we go. Got it. Thank you. Well, you’ve earned that degree, and I thought I’d respect you there.
So, well, again, thank you for coming all the way down here to North Hollywood, to Hennessey Studios, to be here in person. It seems like you’ve been doing a lot of these interviews lately, but they’ve been on Zoom.
Exactly. I’ve done one in-person, and that was in somebody’s bedroom!
Is that right?
Yes. They had a nice little studio, though. But I’ve been all over the world. I’ve been to Guernsey before a live audience of 500 people, which is a little island between England and France. And I’ve been to Australia multiple times and Europe and even Africa.
Okay. So, you’re a man, I’d like to say, with many lives.
You know, Jenna, our producer, has done a great job of- You said that she’s been one of the most thorough people of pre-screening you, right?
Yeah. We like to do homework on people so that we know who we’re talking to and a little bit about their history here.
And so, first of all, I think we’ve got something in common. So, you were a wrestler in high school.
I was, and I was a judo player too. I still watch judo.
And mixed martial arts and jiu-jitsu is much too complicated for me. I mean, it’s intricate, but I still watch judo. I know the Japanese names of the throws and it’s still endlessly fascinating. I’m 68.
You don’t look it.
I’m broken up. Let me tell you. Orthopedically, I’m a has-been.
So, going back, right? Going back to the days- Because wrestling kind of- I attribute who I am because I spent a lot of time training for wrestling, right?
It’s a lot of discipline.
It sure is. Right?
You know, and you as well. So, going back to high school, first of all, where’d you grow up?
I grew up in Kent, in Ohio.
Yeah. Kent State, if you’ve ever heard of that. Yeah.
So, you grew up there, you went to high school. Now, going back to high school days, did you kind of have it all figured out? Did you-
That’s rhetorical? No. Nobody knows anything in high school. At least I didn’t.
No. It’s been a difficult journey, and I want to say that if I’ve got a secret, it’s hustling the whole time.
And I’m- I’ve got a 25-page resumé, but most people in my situation do also.
I see. So, were your parents, did they put a lot of pressure on you in school?
I was sort of an iconoclast, and they didn’t- I suppose there was pressure, but I thought at the time that I was ignoring the pressure.
They’re both physicians.
Oh, got it.
Okay, that makes sense. So, seeing your mom and dad as a physician, that kind of possibly wanted you to kind of maybe go down that journey as you were going to go to college, then?
It seemed like a reasonable path. Yeah.
Okay. And so, after you graduated high school, where’d you go to college?
I went to Oberlin College in Ohio, and then I went to Case Western Medical School.
I took 2 years off of medical school to go rock climbing and fool around. I had the best time of my life. And then I did postgraduate training at Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center in New Hampshire and then at USC, and there was part of it at Huntington Memorial Hospital in Pasadena.
So, when you decided to take that 2-year sabbatical, like why?
I was a wild kid, and I really wanted to rock climb. And so, I traveled all over the country. I didn’t get out of the US, but I did an awful lot of rock climbing, and for that day, I was reasonably good at it.
But of course, by modern standards I was almost a beginner. Things have gotten much more competitive, and we have the gyms now. So, these kids can condition their hands in ways that we had a difficult time doing, unless we were outside all the time.
Yeah. See most people that take that 2-year sabbatical never go back, right?
Yeah. I don’t know. I probably should not have come back. Yeah.
Yeah. “I should not have come back.” So, then you ended up graduating med school, right?
And where were you living at the time?
And so, you worked there, you started there, and how many years did you practice in Cleveland?
Well, no, I never practiced in Cleveland. I did 4 years of post-graduate training, including 2 years of emergency medicine, and then a year of dermatology, and a year of internal medicine, all in different places.
Okay. Got it.
And then I ended up in California and practiced in California. I first was an emergency physician in California. I mean, I’ve had the checkered career, I guess. And I did that for a couple of years.
And then I went into family practice with a friend of mine because emergency medicine is a lot of cross training with family practice. And I did that for 4, 5, 6 years. And I could see that there were problems with the model, and I wanted to be more independent.
And so, I trained virtually every weekend for 10 years to learn cosmetic surgery. And so, I did my last 35 years of my career as a cosmetic surgeon, doing breast implants and liposuction and facelifts and assorted procedures like that, and my entrée into what I’m doing now was towards the end of my career. As I aged, to put it kindly, as I got older, my patients aged along with me, and they were mostly women.
Soon, I was dealing primarily with women after the change of life, after age 50. And so, they were- Many of them were just miserable with their menopausal symptoms. They had hot flashes. They had muscle wasting. They had intellectual decline. They were irritable. They were angry. They were depressed. They were anxious. And I learned and studied and finally was certified about and trained in how to prescribe bioidentical hormones.
And how I got into the medical corruption thing was that, as I learned more and more, I realized that the whole hormone field had been sort of blanked out and distorted by a wall of propaganda. And it was sort of a thing that happened between the FDA and the drug companies that put these what are called “black box warnings” on our most important hormones.
Now, from my studies, I knew that we had- For thyroid, we have 120 years’ experience. For estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone, we have 80 to 90 years’ experience using these drugs. So, there’s no question they work. There’s no question that they’re very, very helpful.
But we were sort of derailed by a study called the Women’s Health Initiative that was in the early 2000s that was published. And immediately, there was so much press around that that everyone thought that estrogen caused breast cancer, for example. And soon enough, there were other studies that were virtually faked that tarred testosterone with blood clots and heart disease.
Which is ridiculous. I mean, it just doesn’t do that, and the studies look through the wrong end of the telescope. In other words, they found people who had heart disease and tried to find ones among that group who were taking testosterone. I mean, it was just ridiculous scientifically, you know?
But yet the FDA, for some reason, tarred these drugs with the black box warning, which is a serious postmarketing warning claiming that they’re very dangerous drugs and should only be used under certain circumstances.
And so, that sort of got me going, and I eventually wrote my book Hormone Secrets, which is a summary of our hormone knowledge, and I was led step-by-step into an examination of medical corruption.
And I studied field after field. I studied insurance companies. I studied the different medical fields. I mean, I eventually ended up- I just had, like, an obsessive-compulsive attack that lasted 2 or 3 years.
Trying to figure this stuff out. And all while I was editing and working on my book, and I mean I modified it, trying to make it look less gloomy. And there are some positive stories in there but it’s kind of a gloomy story because medicine has been colonized by the financial requirements now and I tried to outline the issues in that book.
And I’m obscure. I sell 30 of these things a day.
Right? And the ads on Amazon cost the same thing as anything I make off the books. I’m a zero-profit-
It sounds, after practicing medicine for 40-plus years, you’ve found a purpose. It sounds like you found your purpose.
Yeah. I have a better purpose now than I ever have in my whole life.
And exposing medical corruption is very important, and few people understand it, and the doctors are so involved with it financially they can’t even look.
Very few of them get any of it at all.
So, for just the everyday listener, right? The 9-to-5 person that goes to work, that gets healthcare, explain to them, break that down in the non-medical terms of what you mean by “medical corruption.”
Well, where do we start? I mean, the best thing to do is to explain some parts of the industry and how they work.
And we can sort of take it step-by-step for your listeners.
Let’s do that. Yeah.
So, now everybody has their doubts about the pharmaceutical industry, but despite this being in Wikipedia, most people don’t understand that it is the most corrupted industry in history, as measured by federal settlements with US Federal Prosecutors.
Billions of dollars a year. And three companies lead the list with settlements, single settlements each, of over $2 billion each, and Pfizer, of course, is at the top of that list.
And so, these people have been called mobsters by the close observers. And that includes Peter Rost, who was a former Pfizer marketing vice president and a whistleblower. And I can quote from his book, The Whistleblower, and that’s what he says. He says they behave like mobsters. They basically validate each other, and they perform in a group in ways that they would never perform individually, because the group can validate what they are doing as good.
So, the pharmaceutical industry is one part of it, but there are many other parts that are just as bad. They’re just not as prominent. The hospital industry. These hospitals, 70% roughly, are nonprofit.
And this gives them impunity to operate without the oversight of a board. They don’t have the same kind of oversight that for-profit institutions have.
Now, if you think for-profit institutions have very little oversight, then nonprofits have even less. And they chew through about a third or even 40% of the entire $4 trillion of US healthcare spending.
Now, for your listeners to understand just how crazy the scene is, that healthcare spending is about the same size as the Federal Government’s expenditures every year. It’s the same size. So, in theory, we get $3.5 trillion worth of tax revenues to the federal government. And they’re, of course, spending a lot more. I don’t know how they do that, but they do.
So, healthcare is so big that the lobbyists dominate Congress and the Senate. They dominate. Basically, there’s so much money flowing through these companies that they can afford to buy off anybody in Washington. Including the executive branch and everything else.
So, basically it becomes- We have showered these people with money and these entities with money, and in turn, they are bribing our legislators.
Now, has it always been like that?
No! It’s much worse the last 20 years.
And what’s really obvious to the close observers is that the studies are all faked now. They’re all faked, and I know that sounds like an extreme, but let me explain.
95% of studies in medical journals are ghostwritten by the pharmaceutical companies and other financial entities who are putting the study together. They use statistical tricks. They purchase foreign contractors to do their bidding and use that data instead of US-derived data. They conceal their studies when they don’t show what they want.
For example, you guys have both had the HPV vaccine. That’s the human papillomavirus vaccine. Your age group got it. Well, that thing- I think it’s called Gardasil?
Yeah. So, that thing is ubiquitously used in the United States and Europe, but Japan had a look at the studies and realized that 50% of the studies had been concealed, so they threw the thing in the trash, and only 1% of the Japanese kids get Gardasil. There are plenty of problems with the vaccine as well.
So, this is the modus of the pharmaceutical companies. It’s the modus of the whole industry.
And the wave of propaganda and censorship we’re seeing now, with- You’re familiar with the Facebook censoring, the YouTube censoring, and all that other stuff. This is standard operating procedure for pharmaceutical companies.
You have to look very carefully to find the few gems among all the garbage in our medical literature now. Now, there’s one journal that still has some integrity. It’s the British Medical Journal. They call it The BMJ now. And they had an editorial in July 2021 and I can almost quote it from memory. The title of it was “Time to assume that medical research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?” Literally an editorial in one of the big five top medical journals.
Sure, the other journals are- I mean, they use statistical garbage that you just can’t imagine. And it took me- I didn’t understand it. I wasn’t trained to understand it very well. I come from an older generation that never thought there was anything dishonest about the literature.
But in the last 4 years, I came to understand the difference in some of the statistics that are used to confuse the doctors, as well as everyone else. And they use statistics that make no sense. They compare-
Well, I won’t get into it because it’s a little abstract, but it’s not that hard to understand. And if you read Butchered by “Healthcare”, you can study it-
And that’s another one of your books here that you brought with you. Okay.
Right. And that’s the book I wrote about healthcare corruption. That’s my major work.
So, as you’re talking, right? Obviously, it seems like there’s a lot of greed in this world, right?
A lot of what?
Greed. Yeah! Well, it’s- Our corporations are set up to be agnostic about right and wrong. I was trained in an era where, in theory, we put the patients first, and that was our primary value. It wasn’t “do no harm,” because there are always risks to everything you do. It was, “Put the patient first no matter what,” and that is being washed down the drain now.
Yeah, yeah. Of all the doctors that might be listening, how many people would be on your side of this belief of what’s going on in the world, would you say?
Well, you got to understand that a doctor’s life is not easy. I mean, we-
I can imagine. It’s stressful, right?
Look, with all you’ve done, Jason, I think that you’ve worked just as hard as any doctor, harder. But there were so many things put on the doctors before, and even worse now. I mean, now, I can’t imagine how it all works. They are commanded by protocols that are developed by, primarily, by doctors in the pay of industry.
The psychiatry is entirely commanded by a book called the DSM. Have you ever heard of that? Diagnosis Statistical Manual.
I have, yeah.
Yeah, I think it’s yellow. And a new one comes out, by vote of the psychiatrists, every 3 or 4 years or something like that.
Well, this thing was developed and is developed entirely by industry-fed physicians. And we call that a conflict of interest, but in government or law, it would be called a criminal act. People would have to either recuse themselves or they would possibly face criminal prosecution. But in medicine, conflicts of interest which are disclosed are accepted practices. I mean, it’s insanity.
Yeah. And it’s backed by research “that is controlled”?
The research is industry-sponsored and industry-controlled virtually universally, virtually universally. And these academic doctors, they are paid to put their name on articles. The journal editors are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to look the other way. They’re the most sophisticated people in medicine and they are looking the other way.
So, a young doctor that’s aspiring to be a doctor right now in med school, they want to go to med school because they want to help people, right?
That’s why you do it.
They all wrote that essay.
Yeah. Yeah, right? That’s what you want to do, is you want to save lives, help people, right? Understand medicine and science. But it sounds like they’re entering in a very corrupt industry they’re about to get into, and they’re spending lots of money to enter that industry. That’s basically what you’re saying.
I made an effort to supply that Butchered By “Healthcare” book free in PDF form or in ebook form to every medical student in the country. They weren’t interested. They were interested in: “What do I do next?” Because the pressures are so high. I mean, most people don’t understand that medical training involves weeks that you hardly ever get home.
I mean, we worked for sometimes for 48 hours straight with hardly a moment to do anything, to eat, or even rest for a moment, 48 hours straight, two days.
Wow, 48 hours working.
So, you wake up every morning, right, and you’re trying to get your message out, right? Yes. It seems like it’s a battle that you won’t ever be able to win.
So, what drives you, right? Because even like you said, some of this stuff might even get censured, right?
I guess you wrote three books, right? The most recent one being-
Well, I wrote a book about cosmetic surgery.
Oh, you wrote another book? Okay.
Yeah. This other one’s not my book, obviously.
I see. Got it.
So, what drives me?
Let me ask you a question. If you had your feet in the alligator’s mouth, would you struggle? Or would you say, “Okay alligator, I probably don’t have a chance here.”
Yeah, you’re going to fight.
You have to fight. You have to fight. And the odds don’t make any difference when we’re in such trouble. I mean, it’s a crazy scene now and we have to do what we can to tell the truth. And there are some positive threads left.
Yeah. So, it seems like there’s many people fighting the same fight as you, right?
There are. The positive message I have is: there are tens of thousands of people like me that are outraged by what’s going on. And the last 2 years has been- It is the same pharmaceutical company and medical industry strategies writ large with other players getting involved.
So, when all of that went down, COVID, right, when you first started it, I remember it was January. I was flying home from Florida. My mom called me up and she’s like, “Jason, make sure whatever you do, wear a mask on the plane.”
Right? This is my mom telling me. I mean, she cares about me and stuff, but I’m like, “What are you talking about, mom? I’ll be fine. What do you mean ‘wear-’” “No, there’s something, I saw it on the news, wear a mask.”
And so, that was my first signal that something was about to happen. What was your first signal that something was about to happen?
Well, I was out of the country. I was working on my hormone book and my Butchered by “Healthcare” book, and I did not really start to think about COVID or the vaccine until probably 6 to 7 months ago. And when I did, it became quickly obvious that this was just more of the same from the pharmaceutical companies. The propaganda was the most outrageous part of it, the censoring, the de-platforming. I mean, that’s just crazy.
So, I want to tell you what my reaction to the vaccine was. I heard that it was 95% effective, and I just had to laugh because I knew these guys hadn’t come up with anything like that that was any good for over 20 years.
The flu vaccine is completely worthless. I mean, you can go to Cochrane Reviews and search for “influenza vaccine,” and you’ll find that this stuff may decrease the disease nastiness by a few hours. But it doesn’t seem to affect the diseases they were trying to prevent, pneumonia and the other things that kill you. So, it does not work.
And we’ve spent a hundred billion dollars on it since the beginning, or more. I mean, it’s crazy. We got these countries stockpiling this drug ahead of time, and they’re always a year behind. They’re turning out a vaccine for last year’s flu bug, well, just like we are with this COVID thing.
Yeah. Well, people are uneducated, right? And so, they watch the news, they listen to people.
And it seems like if you want to live in society now, you kind of have to get it, right? You go everywhere, you go to a restaurant, I went to a concert last night, right? They’re asking for either a negative test or the vaccine, right? I don’t think you can even fly, right?
How does somebody that does not believe in the vaccines, how do they even get by with society the way it’s set up?
I think Mark Twain said it best. He said, “If you don’t read the newspaper you’re uninformed, but if you do read the newspaper, you’re misinformed.”
So, the “tell-a-vision,” right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
So, we now have seen a narrative shift the last 3 weeks. It’s the most remarkable pivot I’ve ever seen, and it certainly implies central control of this whole thing. One of the best books to understand the whole thing is written by Peter Breggin and his wife, Ginger. It’s called COVID-19 and the Global Predators, and that explains how it all fits together.
They’ve become friends of mine. I’ve been on their podcast. And I don’t know how they figured it all out, but there’s documentary evidence about the whole thing. There’s documentary evidence about Gates predicting pandemics for 10 years and how they set up the Wuhan virus with money laundered through England. I mean, we got email and we got financial records, we got all kinds of stuff.
The vaccine is obviously a complete fraud. We have a thousand studies that show that it just- There are all kinds of problems. We’ve got two different data sources. We have that VAERS database, have you heard of that?
Okay. So, the VAERS database is flawed in that it’s voluntarily reported, but it’s underreported by a factor of 10 to 100. So, we have 22,000 fatalities from the vaccine so far, and any other vaccine would’ve been absolutely killed after 50. And this thing is underreported. There are at least a hundred thousand fatalities. This is the US alone.
There’s a similar system in Europe, and that shows similar results. But the robust data is coming out of the military. And we’ve got these whistleblowers. Have you heard about this yet? We’ve got these whistleblowers who are showing the military health records, and they can amalgamate all of the military health records within certain periods.
And the fatalities have risen, the neurological disease is up by a factor of 20. I can’t quote the numbers exactly, but all these different diseases have gone up. We have insurance data out of Indiana and other states that show overall fatalities have gone up by 40% in 2021, not 2020, but the year of the vax, right? And it has to be more than coincidental.
So, the bad story is that 85% of the fatalities could have been prevented with simple medications that cause less than a penny a dose. Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D, even simple supplements like quercetin and zinc should have been used and should have been widely publicized. But instead, this is suppressed in order to keep the Emergency Use Authorization going for the vaccine.
Okay. So, let me kind of get this straight.
I’m sorry. I’m sorry to go on a rant. So, just cut me off if I’m ranting too much, but you can tell how outraged I am.
You’re passionate about this. You’re passionate, you’re outraged. Is there any positive to the vaccine?
No, no, no. Here’s what it does. For 2 to 4 months- It’s not a vaccine, okay? A vaccine would prevent the disease in the future, give you immunity, it doesn’t. This thing actually increases your chance of getting the disease, but the only positive thing it does is for 2 to 4 months only, it decreases the severity of the disease, right?
But in exchange, we have these kids dropping dead on the soccer field. So, do you have any idea why Pfizer and these other criminals are trying to vaccinate little kids? No? Well, let me tell you. I’ll enlighten you about that.
First of all, you probably know, like everyone else, that kids do not die of COVID, almost without qualification. A few of them have, but they have terrible underlying problems. I don’t believe we have a healthy kid that’s ever died of COVID.
Well, if these people get authorization to give this thing, even to 17- to 18-year-olds, right? And that’s what they’ve tried to do. And now they’re trying to get the little kids. If they get authorization, even for the 17- to 18-year-olds who are considered pediatrics, they pass on all of the liability for the entire program. Is that insane, or what?
Is that right?
So, an immunity towards that.
Well, right now, as long as this thing is considered an Emergency Use Authorization. Now, make no mistake, this is lawlessness, because Emergency Use Authorization is only good if there are no decent therapies, right? And we have excellent therapies that decrease hospitalization and fatality, in study, by 85% or more. It may be much more than that, but that’s what everybody says just to be conservative about it.
So, our regulatory mechanisms are broken. They are not working. They’re bought off by the big money. I mean, it’s crazy. But the FDA, which the FDA gets over half its revenues directly from these pharmaceutical companies through user fees which are incurred during the patent process.
And so, these people are going to vote to do it. I mean, I can’t see. I mean, we’re trying to comment and mail-in nonsense and object to it, but-
Let me ask you this though. This is not the first vaccine. You’ve got the chicken pox, measles, right?
Let’s call it the “clot shot.” We don’t have to call it a vaccine.
Yeah, right? But are there any vaccines that are necessary?
Well, I think the vaccines have been one of the most touted medical successes of anything we’ve done. But if you look more closely at the effort, it’s not quite as positive as you would think. Now, obviously I’ve had every freaking vaccine, and I had flu shots up to a certain point when I started realizing-
As a doctor, did they make that all mandatory for you? Probably, right?
Well, I worked in private clinics, so- So, the diseases that the vaccines are purported to help were all declining, right? And at the point that the vaccines are introduced, there is no sudden decline in the disease rate, right?
It’s the timing of it.
Even smallpox, which is considered to be one of the biggest medical successes in history. So, I’m not saying I judge other vaccines harshly.
This is not a vaccine. This is a- I mean, it’s-
You called it a “clot shot.”
I call it the “clot shot” because it creates thrombosis and clots. It causes many, many strokes. There is microscopic evidence of blood clotting inside in blood samples in 50% of the people who take it. Although they’re not symptomatic, most people don’t have any problems with it.
But, I mean, I’ve got a close friend whose daughter was pregnant. She’d had two shots already, but her mother-in-law convinced her to take a third. She immediately lost the fetus. This thing pretty much kills the fetus if you’re pregnant when you take it. Some of the studies have shown 80% percent fetal death rate from the, quote, “vaccine.”
Yeah. There’s a family friend of ours that was pregnant with twins, very excited. Got all the way to I think 7 months. She ended up getting COVID, so I’m not sure if she was vaccinated or not, but she ended up getting COVID and then both of the babies unfortunately passed.
It’s the same protein in the blood with COVID and the clot shot. It’s the same.
So, in that case, it’s kind of damned if you do, damned if you don’t, right? Right. Here’s my thoughts about this, right? So, both of my grandfathers have passed of COVID, right? I’m not sure if that’s really the reason, but that’s kind of what the medical professionals told us, right?
And so, as a result of that, sitting there at my grandfather’s funeral, I’m thinking to myself- Well, I’m not as educated as you are on this, but I’m sitting there to myself and I’m thinking, “I don’t want to end up like that.” And I know that he was older and had medical problems and history, but I’m just like, it’s one of those things, you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
And in America, and maybe even nationwide, you’re kind of treated as a second-class citizen now if you don’t have it, right?
Okay. So, we have almost no reports of any hospitalizations or fatalities with people who are treated early with the drugs that work, such as ivermectin. The reason why we have these problems is we don’t use the things that work, and we do things that don’t work. Have you ever heard of Remdesivir?
Remdesivir is just a horrible story, it’s almost an unbelievable story. Remdesivir was approved for COVID treatment in the hospital, right? And it’s an antiviral agent, which was a failed drug against Ebola. And it was failed because it killed 25% to 50% of the people you give it to. And that’s what it’s doing in the hospitals here.
Now, that thing was approved because it didn’t work, you see? Because if it did work, they’d have a drug that worked, and then the Emergency Use Authorization evaporates. Now, the hospitals get paid on average of a hundred thousand dollars a COVID patient. They get paid. The reason why they test it-
Why? Why is that even set up like that?
Because the system is insane. It’s all bought off by these-
Because it’s corrupt, you’re saying, right?
It’s corrupt. So, they get paid. I think it’s $10,000 or something like that for every diagnosis they make.
Is that right?
And they get paid for admissions. They get paid for everyone they treat with Remdesivir.
Regardless of if it’s a profit or non-profit hospital?
Well, no, I don’t think there’s much of a distinction.
There’s not much of a distinction for that? Okay.
These hospitals, they don’t have the profit margins that pharma has. Pfizer’s had a 40% or 50% profit margin for the last 5 years. Now, if you’re a free enterprise guy, you understand quite well that 10% profit margins are a very favorable thing. The pharmaceutical industry has 25% on average, roughly.
Pfizer’s had this higher profit margin, we don’t even know what it is this year with the COVID vax. They might have sold a hundred billion worth of this drug. The advertising was all done by the governments, they might have a 75% profit margin this year. I mean, it’s insane.
A lot of that money’s going to go towards lobbyists and trying to control the government?
Well, they’ve got them under control. The state legislators are not all under control, but the federal Congress and the Senate are pretty much controlled by the pharmaceutical and the medical industry.
What’s your thoughts about these masks?
Well, we have 150 studies that say it doesn’t work at all. There is some sort of small Millipore mask that works. I mean, the studies that support mask use during surgery are weak, so you can imagine that the mask use for this abstract problem. These idiots are wearing these masks outside. It’s absolutely crazy.
As you are probably well aware, even California is dropping their mask- not LA County, but California is dropping their mask mandate. I mean, these people have gotten so much bad press for all this stuff they’ve done that there’s a pivot now. And I think they’re afraid of midterms, but I mean, we’ll see what happens.
Do you think you’ll ever get on a plane and fly without a mask in your lifetime?
It doesn’t bother me that much, but what I’ve got is I’ve got a mask that I can breathe through, you can order them. “Fakemasksinternational.com.” I don’t have any relationship with them, but-
What is it? “Fakemask-”
“Fakemasks” or “masksinternational.com.”
Okay. So, it looks like a mask or you can even get one that insults whoever looks at you because you can see through it.
Oh, you can get them customized?
You can get them so you can see through it and then it’s just insulting.
You’ve got these two books, you said you’re basically kind of just giving them away. You’re not even like-
Well, they cost money.
I know they cost money but you’re not making a profit on it, that’s what I’m saying.
No, I don’t make a dime on this.
That’s basically what I’m suggesting.
I’m just trying to get our feet out of the alligator’s mouth.
And so, for anybody that’s listening that wants to educate themself on this, you’ve got three books here, where would somebody start? Where would you put them?
Yeah. Now these books are all around $3 on Kindle. Yeah. The Real Anthony Fauci book is by RFK Jr. It is enormously well-written, it tells the history of the whole COVID thing from start to finish. Fauci is a career criminal, he is responsible for millions of deaths and this is presented like a legal brief.
As you may know, RFK Jr. is a lawyer and he’s had some major wins against large companies, I mean, billions. But for some reason, Fauci’s still there, he’s looking so bad, I’m sure he’ll retire soon. But that this thing is not just about Fauci, it’s about the entire pandemic thing from start to finish. It’s quite readable.
You get any of these on Kindle for $3, and the reason is none of us care about the money. I mean, Kennedy gives it all away anyway. The hardcovers are more expensive.
But my book, this hormone book, is like a little reference book for people over 50, primarily. Testosterone supplementation is the best weight loss drug we’ve ever had, it works very well. If you have low T, and you get supplemented and you don’t care about your fertility and you’re male, you will lose weight over a decade.
Let me stop there for a second. So, somebody over 50 that’s listening, what do they do? Which doctor do they go to and what test do they get? How do they even get started on that path?
I forgot my disclaimer at the beginning of this thing. The disclaimer is this is not individual healthcare advice, right? This is, if you have a medical problem or a health problem you want to see a doctor or someone who is licensed.
So, anyway, what I’d recommend is you spend $3 or $4 dollars and buy Butchered by “Healthcare” and buy the Hormone Secrets book, and the Hormone Secrets book will tell you just where to go.
But briefly, my group, which is called- I’m slipping. I’ve had too much coffee this morning.
It’s perfectly fine.
It’s called Worldlink Medical. WorldlinkMedical.com. That has referrals to physicians. There’s also other groups, one is called “A4M,” which is American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine. That group is a little flakier, in my opinion, maybe isn’t quite as solid.
There’s a saying we have, and that is that just because there’s problems in aircraft design, you don’t want to assume that magic carpets fly. You see. So, the alternative side of things is not all a positive thing, and a lot of those people are hucksters just like ordinary medical doctors.
Everything that you’re saying makes sense. I think it really comes down to people kind of putting in their own time into researching this, right?
You need to throw out the television as best you can, and you have to get away from censored social media like Facebook. Facebook is a mind control game. There’s an excellent podcast by Rogan when he interviews Epstein, who’s a PhD data scientist.
A lot of controversy over that.
Well, I think “controversy” is a word that’s a psychological operation. You see? And there is some evidence that the CIA introduced that word into our lexicon to fool everybody into thinking you could just cry “controversy” and it would be like crying bullshit.
But it’s not true. What he says is super solid and it does appear that Facebook and Google can swing election results by at least 10%-
I believe that.
It’s easy to see. They influence the search results and the suggestions.
My whole world is Google, that’s what I do. So, yeah. So, Joe Rogan, let’s talk about that for a second.
Rogan is an independent thinker and he’s had two seminal interviews about the COVID thing. The names of the two people are Robert Malone and the other one is Peter McCullough. If you have the time to listen to these, you can turn them up to twice normal speed, if you can tolerate that or one and a half times, and you will understand exactly what’s happening with the whole scene after those two interviews.
Rogan does not tolerate BS. If he didn’t think these people were genuine and true, he would boot him in the teeth. Just like he did Sanjay Gupta, you know who that is?
Gupta is shilling for the medical industry and he’s obviously paid off. I don’t believe that somebody that bright believes a word of what he’s saying.
To be honest, I think with everything that’s happening, with the whole Joe Rogan, if you call it controversy or not, just his message or his platform, people that have never heard of Joe Rogan now know who he is. So, I think it’s kind of going in the opposite direction, now people want to listen to what they have to say in that episode.
When you hear this controversy or conspiracy, your ears should perk up and you realize that you want to study it a little bit because it’s being labeled by a psychological operation from the sensors. Anybody who doesn’t think there’s sensors is absolutely naive. I mean, you understand it in great detail.
No, I do. There’s actually clips, it’s funny because if you watch the news it’s all fed by one place and then the newscasters from all over the United States all kinda say the same thing.
Even the phrasing is identical.
There’s YouTube videos on this. We’ll put it in the link here where you can see that. Somebody’s controlling the narrative.
No, no, that was the goal, but hey, maybe that might- [laughs]
I mean, you’re young, you never know what’ll compound for you.
Well, well again, you’re fighting a fight, I applaud you for it. You’ve got books here, you’re sharing it. Again, tell everybody the two books, the three books actually, you want them to read.
My book is Butchered by Healthcare and that’s the book about healthcare corruption, it’s got 500 or 1,000 references. If you buy the ebook, you can click through to the references.
And the Hormone Secrets is a little manual for you to learn about if you think you might have hormonal problems. You’ll learn how to- There are even places you can do testing without a doctor’s prescription and get some idea of what’s going on. Lifeextension.com does a complete hormone panel.
The Real Anthony Fauci is the million-copy bestseller, probably the best selling book in the world for the last 3 months. And this thing is being completely ignored by mainstream media and it’s selling through that anyway.
Got it. Well, Hey, you’re going to leave these here for me as well.
Yep. Thank you for that. I’ll read them.
And Jenna. Now, I want to get to know you a little bit closer, so we do this thing called “Hennessey Heart-to-Heart.”
Okay, whatever. [chuckles]
I just asked you a couple questions and the first thing that comes to mind, you just kind of say-
I was an Eagle Scout once. [laughs]
See? Yeah. Well, first of all, rock climbing, Eagle Scout, judo. That’s why I said, you’re a man of many lives.
When did you stop doing the rock climbing? Do you still do it?
But one of the problems I’ve had is accepting my physical and athletic decline. I learned the hard way because I pulled one of my quadriceps entirely off my knee cap. It was a 2-year recovery with 2 surgeries. My leg just didn’t work. I had a helicopter rescue from a climbing area that was probably years ago.
Interesting. For me, that might have been my last time I would go rock climbing.
You weren’t addicted like I was my whole life. I’ve been outside a couple times since then, but at 68, your body just doesn’t tolerate this stuff anymore. So, you got to enjoy yourself when you’re young. You’re still young.
I’ve always had, like, great eyesight, but I wake up in the morning I go to read something and it’s blurry. I’m like, “What the heck is going on?” I’m too chicken shit to go get an eye test because I don’t want them to tell me that I need glasses. But sometimes your body tells you things, right?
Yeah. It’ll tell you the hard way.
Yeah. I think I’m going to have to go get some eye- I can read this fine, but I might be kind of needing glasses here.
If that’s your big problem, you have no problems.
Well, the other thing is I turned gray. Here’s a question, does stress really turn your hair gray from a medical perspective?
I know something about that because HIV patients are evaluated by their T-cell counts, and when their T-cell counts get below 200 many of them just go instantly white. So, that gray is not a good sign, but you got to realize it’s mainly black, it’s not like mine. How old are you?
I was like in my 20s and I’m getting gray hair. I’m like, “What the heck is going on here?” My life is stressful, I guess. I don’t know. So, I don’t know. I’m still holding on to the whatever black I’ve got here.
All right. So, “Hennessey Heart-to-Heart.” Again, just going to ask you a couple questions and just answer from the heart, that’s why it’s called “Heart-to-Heart.”
All right. So, let’s see here. So, if you wouldn’t have chosen the medical field, what do you think you would’ve done with your career?
Oh man. Well, you know what I did in medicine ultimately became a little more entrepreneurial because I was not insurance reimbursed, not one penny, for the last 30 years of my career.
So, it was a free market and it was a small business. I always wanted to be some sort of small business person and I’m sure I could have leveraged myself better had I not had-
Medicine has so many constraints. The licensure is crazy. I mean, you have all this training that’s necessary before you go into business, you have many constraints after you’re in business, and you got medical malpractice lawsuits and every other thing. I’m sure I would’ve done some sort of small business.
But medicine has given me a lot of perspectives. It’s kind of academic, which appeals to me. But I’m not the interpersonal genius that you really have to be to be a doctor. The doctors are intellectual, but the ones that are super comfortable with it, they just love talking to people, I’m not really there.
Yeah. It’s interesting. They say that the worst entrepreneurs are doctors and lawyers. They don’t teach business or entrepreneurship in law school, med school.
Sometimes you just kind of have to like, go with the book of hard knocks and just figure it out later.
It’s always a book of hard knocks, everything you do.
If you could say one book that changed your life, what book would that be?
Well, I mean, now this is almost biblical but I read Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations early on, and I’ve memorized large swaths of it. I think about the concepts and although I don’t have a religious framework, my Catholic friends claim that my ideas are originally Christian, but I remind them that Aurelius predated Christ by 200 years.
I learned about that book when I read that Bill Clinton was carrying it around during his stressful periods when he was getting accused of God-knows-what. Remember that?
And so, I picked it up and I looked at it, and I ultimately read several translations of it. This thing has become quite popular now. There are translations and interpretations, one’s by Ryan Holiday. I don’t particularly like what he does with it, but it’s an easy way into the field.
I like the older translations better, they’re more flowery. I like the almost biblical nature of it, and I’m not a Bible scholar. I don’t know really much about Christianity.
Okay. Say that book one more time?
Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations. Marcus Aurelius was a Roman emperor and he wrote this book for himself. It wasn’t discovered until a couple hundred years after he died and somebody had it.
There’s five things that have been in continuous publication since the invention of the printing press. We got the Bible, we got- What is that? Machiavelli‘s book, and then we’ve got a few Eastern books and we’ve got Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations. So, it’s a very important book, a lot of people read it during difficult times.
Got it. Thank you. I’ll have to check it out. If you can get rid of one of your bad habits, what would that be?
Oh gosh. I don’t know. You’re always working on your habits. I’m doing pretty well right now.
I like how we always stump people with these questions.
Yeah. Well, that’s a bit of a stumper. Most of my life, I had a lot of anxiety. I would be anxious and then I would burn out, and then I wouldn’t be as effective for a while. So, right now, I mean, nobody has an easy life and my family has health problems, without getting into it, and I have to deal with that every day. And so, I’m doing pretty well.
I’m afraid to ask this question.
No, don’t be afraid. I’m happy to answer anything.
But did you take any medication for your anxiety?
Yeah, that’s a good question. That’s an excellent question. And we can just get into, if we have enough time, we can get into psychiatry.
Yeah, let’s do it. Mm-hmm.
So, in my view, after studying all the medical specialties, psychiatry is the most corrupt. And the reason is they have very few sugar pill studies, very few placebo studies, that properly evaluate the drugs they use, and the drugs they use are tremendously addictive. And once you’ve been on Prozac or a related drug for 5 years, you’re screwed. You have a hell of time getting off of it. Your brain is basically altered.
So, I have tried that class of drugs, the SSRI-related drugs for depression. And see, these guys promote them for anything. They promote them for anxiety, but I couldn’t tolerate it for more than a few days. I have tried benzos, which is like Valium or clonazepam. And I like those drugs better. I’m not currently taking them.
But basically, psychiatry, there’s four main drug classes. The SSRI’s predisposed to suicide and violence, and the manufacturer, Lilly, who manufactured Prozac, knew about it when they put out the drug, and they’ve been quietly settling these suicide cases ever since.
And there are whole societies of people devoted to trying to open up this door. But there’s so much money on the other side.
Okay. So, the second class is the atypical antipsychotic. The antipsychotics cause these funny mouth movements, and they’re called tardive dyskinesia and other related syndromes that are essentially symptoms of brain damage. So, those things are no longer very popular, but pharma marketed this other class called atypical antipsychotics. Those things cause all kinds of problems. They shorten lifespan by 10 to 20 years. It’s crazy.
Then we got all our kids on the amphetamines, which have been known to be a horrible problem since before World War II. The Japanese used those things to psych up their samurais to do the dives into the boats. You know that? So, animal studies show they shrink brains.
And so, anyways, psychiatry is a mess. And I think that most of those drugs decrease your ability to make changes and to be forced into difficult decisions. And instead, they numb you out and create very little positive.
Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate your honesty with them.
What is your most memorable lesson that you learned from your parents?
[chuckles] That was a long time ago. My parents are deceased. Well, gosh. See, I didn’t have a super close relationship with my parents. So, I had mentors elsewhere. Why don’t I pass on this one? You give me another one.
Sometimes a lesson is to be different than them. That’s the journey I took. So, my father wasn’t really in my picture. He wasn’t a good father. And so, the lesson was to be an amazing father. So, that’s one of the lessons that I would basically share.
But we can pass that one. No problem. What is one of your favorite quotes?
Okay. I mean, I live on quotes. I live on quotes. So, let me just give you a sample of Aurelius’ quote: “It is in my power to live free from all compulsion in the greatest tranquility of mind, even though the whole world cries out against thee as much as it chooses, and wild beasts tear into pieces the members of this needed matter, which has grown up around thee.”
So, that’s the deal.
That’s Marcus Aurelius. That’s from Meditations. That’s from the Long, I don’t know the first name, Long translation.
Which I like the best.
Yeah. That was very impressive, how you just pulled that from your brain.
Well, I spent a lot of time thinking about this stuff, Jason, and sometimes they’re like mantras that go through your head after a while.
What is one of your most prized possessions?
[chuckles] Oh my gosh. I got to quote Jean-Claude Killy here, and he said, I think he’s quoting the Bible, and he said, since his wife got breast cancer, he said that, “I don’t hold so tightly to anything of this earth.”
I don’t really have anything that makes that much difference to me. I’ve got plenty of possessions. I worked hard, and my wife and I don’t have to work now. We’ve got a nice place to live and good relationships.
There you go.
When in life have you been humbled?
[chuckles] My life has been a continuous series of becoming humble. I mean, that medical training thing. It was so counterintuitive that I was repeatedly humbled by various-
They’re basically conditioning you to wear a white coat and go around the hospital and do all this stuff. [chuckles] Let me think of something vivid and recent. You didn’t give me these ahead of time. [laughs]
No, see, that’s why it’s called “Heart-to-Heart,” right?
Right from the heart. [laughs]
Okay. Let me think. When have I been humbled? I mean, my life hasn’t been easy. The most humbling thing I’ve seen recently has been a health problem, but I don’t want to discuss that. It is not mine.
Okay. We’ll go pass on that one.
We’ll pass that one. That’s all right. Yeah. What’s one thing that should be taught in school that isn’t?
Well, I think, question authority, and look at your sources, and staying away from online sources is the most important thing you can teach now, because basically the online sources are packed with psychological operations and nonsense and narratives that seem to be constructed.
If anyone gives any credibility to Facebook and Google after the censorship that we know about, I don’t know how they can even think about those things as credible sources of information.
10 years ago, and maybe I’m wrong about this. You could answer this more than me, but 10 years ago, I think you could search for a term and get real information without a whole bunch of-
Since then, these predators have learned that they can use this for advertising money, and they can direct you into the purchasing of some nonsense or some theme about buying the vaccine or believing in the COVID narrative, whatever it is.
So, it’s kind of a sad thing. I would say that using a Brave browser and using a Brave search engine, actually, isn’t that correct?
Yeah. I would say using that thing is probably the most important idea that I could impart to anyone asking.
Yeah. It’s interesting because this whole episode, we’ve been talking about how the government has been controlling the narrative. But to somebody that’s 12 years old, they’re not listening to the government. You know who they’re listening to? It’s these social influencers that have all these millions of followers.
So, that’s going to be who starts to control the narrative, is those with the biggest social following. It’s going to be an interesting new journey that we’ve entered here.
They can be bought. They are being bought. That’s how they make a living is by a deodorant company saying, “Hey, just tell everybody, to your 200 million followers, that this is the best deodorant.” And then people run, and they buy it. Right?
So, I think it’s the same problem, but it’s just a different medium now. Yeah. What do you wish you were great at?
I’ll give you a second to think.
Me, it’s singing. I wish I was a good singer. I don’t know why. I think that would be just so cool, to just break out a guitar and start singing. I just can’t do it. What’s your thing?
Well, aside from having a younger body, so I could do what I did before, I think the thing that I would like to be the best at, that I’m not as good at is- I call my wife and my daughters “interpersonal geniuses.”
In other words, people like them. Not many people accuse me of being likable. You know? I’ve got friends, but I’m an acquired taste for most. So, if I could be superficially charming, which doesn’t seem to be my forte, I’d like that.
Okay. Got it. If you didn’t live here in California, where do you think you’d reside?
You ever think you’ll go to Florida or you’re always staying?
Yeah. We’re going to Florida in 10 days to check it out.
Oh, okay. What area of Florida?
Well, it doesn’t make too much difference, does it? I mean, it just looks a little less freaking dominated by these globalist influences.
Oh, got it. It’s either Florida; Texas; Boise, Idaho.
I have a friend that moved to Boise, Idaho, because his-
Weather’s not as good.
Well, the reason why he moved to Boise, Idaho, is because he’s got a young child and the school systems are a little bit-
They don’t make you take vaccines there, whereas here they do. And so, he literally up and changed his whole life and moved. He truly believes that he got Tourette syndrome from a vaccine as a kid.
Have you allowed your children to be vaccinated?
I’m ashamed to say yes.
Well, no more. Because every single one is a higher chance of a big problem.
Yeah. You know why I did it is because my two boys had gotten COVID, and my daughter was in the house. And I don’t know, I just didn’t want to take a risk and I am not educated on it. That’s the problem, is I’m just not educated on it. Yeah.
Listen to those Rogan interviews, and you’ll understand the whole thing in a few hours.
Sure. What motivates you to keep working hard?
Well, I think I already answered that one.
Yeah, I think so.
The feet are in the alligator’s mouth. I mean, you’ve got to do it. And life has been a hustle for me, from start to finish. I mean, I’m just a worker and I think work is the lifetime meaning.
What is the meaning of life?
Oh, you’re- What you’re trying to do is get me one that I’m completely inarticulate. You’re just going to keep asking questions until I shut up all together.
Well, I think, if I’ve got a meaning, it’s “praxis.” Have you heard that term before? Praxis. Not praxis, but kaizen. Kaizen is continuous improvement.
Yep. The Japanese. Yep.
Yeah. Praxis means taking action, I believe. It’s a Greek word. Praxis and kaizen. I think those are my meanings. And that’s not complicated. It just means that, if you’re not hustling, you’re not going anywhere. If you’re not making decisions, you’re basically just allowing yourself to be trod upon.
Well, Robert, I sincerely appreciate you coming down to the studio. The honor was all mine, for sure. Yep.
And I’m excited to pick up the books, read them, and just to educate myself. That was the theme of this whole show, was just, you need to educate yourself.
It’s a pleasure, Jason. Thank you.
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